(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[AGA]SZ[19]KM[7.50]TM[7200]OT[5x30 byo-yomi]
GN[2011 US Open - Round 1 Board 2 - Mengchen Zhang 7d vs Yongfei Ge 7d]PW[Mengchen Zhang]PB[Yongfei Ge]WR[7d]BR[7d]DT[2011-07-31]EV[US Go Congress]RO[1]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]US[Chris Burg]C[USGO2 [-\]: Welcome to the AGA E-Journal's live coverage of the 2011 US Open taking place at the US Go Congress in Santa Barbara, CA.  This is round 1, board 2.  I'm Chris Burg, your game recorder this morning.
evanj [3d\]: hi Chris, thanks for transcribing
cugel [1k\]: scary names
evanj [3d\]: Ge is very strong I think
USGO2 [-\]: My pleasure :)  Players are working on setting clocks, so it will be a few minutes before we begin.
indianayk [4d\]: Mengchen Zhang is a new face. Is he a visitor?
USGO2 [-\]: Yes, Mengchen is from China.  This is his first AGA tournament.
evanj [3d\]: uh oh
USGO2 [-\]: Since it's his first tournament, he doesn't yet have an AGA player card.  However, you can view Yongfei's player card at http://agagd.usgo.org/Player_Card.php?&key=10617
evanj [3d\]: so b is an 8.7 dan
evanj [3d\]: not too shabby
USGO2 [-\]: The clock is being passed around from player to player as each attempts to figure out the controls.
evanj [3d\]: hahahahaha
indianayk [4d\]: thx
Nyanjilla [-\]: oh dear
USGO2 [-\]: They players seem satisfied with the clock, so play beings.
]RE[B+5.50]
;B[pd]
;W[dp]
;B[pq]
;W[dc]
;B[de]
;W[ce]
;B[dd]
;W[cd]
;B[ec]
;W[cf]
;B[db]
;W[cc]
;B[fd]
;W[kc]
;B[mc]
;W[hc]
;B[he]
;W[ke]
;B[eg]
;W[ci]C[Sandpiper [6k\]: are the pairings for today listed anywhere?
]
;B[fq]
;W[po]
;B[oo]C[USGO2 [-\]: Not to my knowledge.
]
;W[on]
;B[op]
;W[pm]
;B[nn]
;W[nm]
;B[mm]
;W[mn]
;B[no]
;W[nl]
;B[ml]
;W[mk]
;B[nk]C[USGO2 [-\]: Mengchen hides his mouth behind his hand as he looks over the board.  Yongfei bounces a leg slightly, as we've seen from him in past tournaments.
]
;W[pk]
;B[nj]
;W[lk]
;B[kl]
;W[pi]
;B[nh]
;W[lh]
;B[kk]
;W[mi]
;B[ni]
;W[md]C[tuerda [1d\]: N16 is very nice leaning attack
abacuss: m13 now?
USGO2 [-\]: Yongfei pauses from thought for a drink of water from his Go Congress mug.
JoseQi [4k\]: now what's he doing?
evanj [3d\]: you sure it's water?
compendium [?\]: urgent situation for both
USGO2 [-\]: Pairings and results are now online.  They can be found at http://www.usgo.org/tournaments/crosstab/band-matrix/102
]
;B[pj]
;W[qj]
;B[ol]
;W[om]
;B[pl]C[evanj [3d\]: this got hairy very quickly
USGO2 [-\]: A small group of onlookers has taken position around the board
tuerda [1d\]: this is quite a combination
tuerda [1d\]: w position looked very solid, but apparently not
evanj [3d\]: I saw another move like Q10 recently in a similar situation
evanj [3d\]: good one to remember to look at
USGO2 [-\]: Mengchen periodically raises both eyebrows as he contemplates the board.
tuerda [1d\]: indeed, definitely can catch you off guarx
]
;W[ql]
;B[ok]
;W[qm]
;B[qk]
;W[rk]C[USGO2 [-\]: After the rapid flurry of moves, both players return to their former relative stillness.
compendium [?\]: w is getting hammered 
USGO2 [-\]: Yongfei takes a stone, but returns it to the bowl.
]
;B[rj]
;W[pk]
;B[lg]C[Wagaboo [5k\]: sacrifice them !
evanj [3d\]: :D
Wagaboo [5k\]: take !
tuerda [1d\]: sacrifice what? w cutting stones? no way!
Wagaboo [5k\]: ooh i would for sente and big side
tuerda [1d\]: b would be so thick . . . game pretty much over
tuerda [1d\]: side not even so big
Wagaboo [5k\]: huh ? it is Big
tuerda [1d\]: it is not bigger than the capture
evanj [3d\]: i don't know
tuerda [1d\]: in terms of
tuerda [1d\]: just plain territory
tuerda [1d\]: the capture is about equivalent in size
]
;W[oj]
;B[kh]C[tuerda [1d\]: !!
Ruutana [?\]: Heheh
tuerda [1d\]: haha
tuerda [1d\]: wll
evanj [3d\]: yeah
tuerda [1d\]: well
evanj [3d\]: i think this is very playable
Wagaboo [5k\]: now w can easily reduce b
tuerda [1d\]: can w stones survive?
evanj [3d\]: style preference maybe
USGO2 [-\]: Mengchen leans in close to the board.
evanj [3d\]: well, i'd leave them for now
evanj [3d\]: though a stronger player might not
evanj [3d\]: certainly lots and lots of aji
Goprince [3d\]: o17
Wagaboo [5k\]: w stones rly have ajii
tuerda [1d\]: I am having trouble believing w played this
Wagaboo [5k\]: thay are not already dead
evanj [3d\]: the more i think about it the more i don't have trouble believing it
evanj [3d\]: although my first instinct was the same as yours
USGO2 [-\]: Yongei is now bouncing both legs.
]
;W[nd]C[tuerda [1d\]: I mean, unless w can survive
tuerda [1d\]: in which case
tuerda [1d\]: its a different story
evanj [3d\]: but those stones are tons of aji for reducing/invading
evanj [3d\]: in concert with N6
]
;B[mh]C[tuerda [1d\]: well, b will eliminate the aji right now
tuerda [1d\]: oh
Wagaboo [5k\]: ah you see b added a move
tuerda [1d\]: he did
]
;W[qf]C[Wagaboo [5k\]: thoses stones were a poison gift
tuerda [1d\]: yeah, my money is on b
]
;B[qe]
;W[rf]C[evanj [3d\]: by forcing b to add a move w made P10 awfully big
Wagaboo [5k\]: do you these w stones still have ajii ?
evanj [3d\]: yes
tuerda [1d\]: so long as they are on the board, they have aji
tuerda [1d\]: but at this stage it is
tuerda [1d\]: very tolerable aji
]
;B[ob]C[evanj [3d\]: N6 gives aji for lower-side invasion as well as w R3
Wagaboo [5k\]: i didn't like s14
tuerda [1d\]: what would you play instead wagaboo?
]
;W[nc]C[Wagaboo [5k\]: i don't know :(
tuerda [1d\]: it feels to me like the natural shape
Goprince [3d\]: thats a lot of thickness for black...
Goprince [3d\]: f5 so important though
]
;B[pf]C[tuerda [1d\]: yes
tuerda [1d\]: if b can get sente to play f5 then
]
;W[hq]C[tuerda [1d\]: things will be nice for him
tuerda [1d\]: but b sente
tuerda [1d\]: not hapenning
]
;B[fo]
;W[mo]C[Wagaboo [5k\]: haha this ajii is rly bad
Wagaboo [5k\]: what should b do...
]
;B[kn]C[Wagaboo [5k\]: aah shape move
Wagaboo [5k\]: i thought about it+
]
;W[mp]
;B[kp]
;W[nq]C[Wagaboo [5k\]: but didn't know it was the best
]
;B[qp]C[Goprince [3d\]: black is very happy now
tuerda [1d\]: this is pretty nice for b
]
;W[kq]
;B[jq]
;W[kr]C[tuerda [1d\]: it looked for a second like disaster might strike, but it didnt
Wagaboo [5k\]: wel with all the b stones around
]
;B[or]
;W[jp]C[Wagaboo [5k\]: it's normal that b get a good result
USGO2 [-\]: K4 produces a sharp clack as it is played.
Goprince [3d\]: k4 is stong
GodofGo [6d\]: so stong
]
;B[dn]C[tuerda [1d\]: d6
GodofGo [6d\]: yea
tuerda [1d\]: dang, too late
Goprince [3d\]: lol
GodofGo [6d\]: then d10 b wins
]
;W[cn]C[Wagaboo [5k\]: do not overestimate center territory...
GodofGo [6d\]: or maybe not
GodofGo [6d\]: lol
GodofGo [6d\]: d3
Goprince [3d\]: lol stong 5 kyu
Wagaboo [5k\]: me ? Oo
GodofGo [6d\]: words of wisdom
Goprince [3d\]: c5 a must
GodofGo [6d\]: c5 probable
Goprince [3d\]: kill it all!
GodofGo [6d\]: lol
USGO2 [-\]: Mengchen whispers something to Yongfei, then they both leave the table.
GodofGo [6d\]: i like ur thinking:)
GodofGo [6d\]: ooh
Wagaboo [5k\]: i'm strong me ? not at all :/
Goprince [3d\]: they r gonna setlte things outside lol
GodofGo [6d\]: i wonder what they're doing? :P
tuerda [1d\]: beating each other senseless
Goprince [3d\]: c5 seems to use  the k3 stone
USGO2 [-\]: Yongfei returns with a full mug.
Wagaboo [5k\]: mug full of what ?
tuerda [1d\]: which he just used to club mengchen over the head
tuerda [1d\]: full of w blood
USGO2 [-\]: I didn't see him fill it up, but it's not steaming.
Goprince [3d\]: vodka?
USGO2 [-\]: So probably water.
Wagaboo [5k\]: i prefer coffee...
SunnyD [2d\]: I bet it's juice
tuerda [1d\]: definitely blood
Wagaboo [5k\]: i think w is ahead
USGO2 [-\]: Mengchen re-enters the room and takes his seat.
Wagaboo [5k\]: definitely
tuerda [1d\]: mengchen woozy looking and disoriented
]
;B[ip]
;W[jo]
;B[iq]
;W[io]
;B[hp]
;W[ko]C[tuerda [1d\]: its like chessboxing, except that it's go
tuerda [1d\]: c5 still
Wagaboo [5k\]: as b i would....
Wagaboo [5k\]: take the corner as big as possible in sente....
tuerda [1d\]: if there is a way for b to take that corner in sente I want to know what it is
Wagaboo [5k\]: yeah me too
tuerda [1d\]: because that doesnt sound even remotely possible
TurtleDove [5k\]: B needs more influence on the left side ?
USGO2 [-\]: Yongfei is leaning in very close, looking at the lower left.
virtuoso [3k\]: 黑看起來不太行
Wagaboo [5k\]: yonfei not too close, your nose would move the stones !
tuerda [1d\]: lol
]
;B[co]
;W[do]
;B[cm]
;W[bn]
;B[bo]
;W[en]
;B[dm]
;W[bp]
;B[bm]
;W[cp]
;B[an]C[tuerda [1d\]: b pretty nice result here
]
;W[eq]
;B[fr]
;W[eo]C[tuerda [1d\]: nearly no resistance at all
]
;B[ho]C[tuerda [1d\]: now I am looking at stuff like B12 or something
]
;W[jm]
;B[km]
;W[hm]C[Wagaboo [5k\]: ha that's terrible for b ....
]
;B[gm]C[tuerda [1d\]: well, it evidently doesnt work now
]
;W[gl]
;B[fm]
;W[em]
;B[fl]
;W[el]C[tuerda [1d\]: but w upper corner has a lot of aji in it after b gets thick at b8
USGO2 [-\]: Each of white's moves produces a clack of stone on board.
]
;B[fk]
;W[ck]C[Wagaboo [5k\]: sre w destroy center in sente ...
Wagaboo [5k\]: and take the side ...
tuerda [1d\]: this last one produces a flash of light
Goprince [3d\]: n2
]
;B[bk]C[Wagaboo [5k\]: aaah T__________8T
]
;W[bj]C[godhunter [5d\]: k5 not alive
USGO2 [-\]: Both players are leaning in over the board now.
Goprince [3d\]: hm i think its aliave acutally
Goprince [3d\]: due to p3 aji\\
Wagaboo [5k\]: yeah
evanj [3d\]: agree w/ goprince
]
;B[ak]
;W[ik]C[Wagaboo [5k\]: w ajii is back XD
]
;B[nr]C[tuerda [1d\]: nearly to the point where you could start trying to count territory
USGO2 [-\]: Mengchen pauses to adjust some stones without moving them.
]
;W[gk]C[USGO2 [-\]: His play at G9 manages to knock aside the same stones he adjusted.
]
;B[mr]C[tuerda [1d\]: hah
evanj [3d\]: hm
USGO2 [-\]: Some significant hesitation from Mengchen on this move
]
;W[fj]
;B[ek]
;W[dl]
;B[dj]
;W[cj]
;B[gj]C[USGO2 [-\]: His eyebrow-raising has increased in frequency as well.
Wagaboo [5k\]: wis ahead he should try the devil
tuerda [1d\]: "damnit man, are you here to play go or to dance?"
]
;W[ji]C[Goprince [3d\]: stong
Syptryn [3d\]: nice
tuerda [1d\]: is this a functioning peep?
michi2009 [6d\]: why strong?
Syptryn [3d\]: h10 
Goprince [3d\]: threatens ko or f11 no?
Syptryn [3d\]: well appeared nice at first
tuerda [1d\]: b f11
tuerda [1d\]: I dont see the ko
Goprince [3d\]: l11
Syptryn [3d\]: but it doens't look like white has any good follow uo
Goprince [3d\]: l11 f11 miai?
Syptryn [3d\]: h10 
michi2009 [6d\]: w m10
tuerda [1d\]: if L11 then M10
Syptryn [3d\]: l11 m10 
michi2009 [6d\]: threating
Syptryn [3d\]: h10 
Syptryn [3d\]: if white l-11
Syptryn [3d\]: l11 l10 k10 
Goprince [3d\]: right m10 the righto order =/
michi2009 [6d\]: but after b l11, what is w next move?
Goprince [3d\]: no idea m10 was ur move =P
Syptryn [3d\]: well
Syptryn [3d\]: if black f-11
Wagaboo [5k\]: maybe b has a tesuji somewhere...
tuerda [1d\]: b f11 now
Syptryn [3d\]: then white can
Syptryn [3d\]: k9 j10 h10 
Syptryn [3d\]: black cutting stone
michi2009 [6d\]: b is thinking l11 or l10
Goprince [3d\]: prbly l10 no?
]
;B[hj]C[Goprince [3d\]: stong
tuerda [1d\]: oh, b chooses the most aggressive move
Syptryn [3d\]: yup
Syptryn [3d\]: that move I suggested :)
]
;W[ij]C[Wagaboo [5k\]: he doesn't fear
]
;B[ki]C[Syptryn [3d\]: now defend
michi2009 [6d\]: wow, this is strong, but is it necessary?
]
;W[hi]C[tuerda [1d\]: this could get
Syptryn [3d\]: well white looks in danger :)
tuerda [1d\]: messy
Syptryn [3d\]: ya
Wagaboo [5k\]: he can still live if he is carrefull
tuerda [1d\]: wagaboo speaks as if he read out the whole fight already
michi2009 [6d\]: w can live, but if b gets to play s15...
]
;B[gi]
;W[gh]
;B[fi]C[tuerda [1d\]: I see no way for w to prevent it
]
;W[jh]C[Wagaboo [5k\]: ooh ><
Wagaboo [5k\]: k12 is nice
]
;B[hh]C[Syptryn [3d\]: Can Euro GO TV set up some came's for Singapore? :D
Syptryn [3d\]: then we can watch Bloodarena + Sodaharu duke it out :)
Syptryn [3d\]: + SuperTJC
]
;W[kg]C[Syptryn [3d\]: nice move
Wagaboo [5k\]: yeah that's what w k12 aimed
Syptryn [3d\]: k10 
tuerda [1d\]: k10  agre
evanj [3d\]: k10 doesn't work that well
]
;B[jj]
;W[ii]C[Wagaboo [5k\]: maybe it's best here...
evanj [3d\]: b can't k13
]
;B[jg]C[evanj [3d\]: ...
Wagaboo [5k\]: b territory is rly ravaged
Syptryn [3d\]: why can't he? :)
evanj [3d\]: he didn't get the memo i guess
USGO2 [-\]: Yongfei smacks his clock roughly after K13
Syptryn [3d\]: it like, "YOu dead!"
virtuoso [3k\]: K9 1st
evanj [3d\]: but he's not
]
;W[ig]
;B[kf]C[Syptryn [3d\]: wel
evanj [3d\]: ok
Syptryn [3d\]: this is sad
evanj [3d\]: why didn't w play L1$?
evanj [3d\]: L14*
]
;W[jf]C[Syptryn [3d\]: enougj
Syptryn [3d\]: to count as dead
Wagaboo [5k\]: w is very calm...
evanj [3d\]: ooooh L8
evanj [3d\]: that's why
ShapeMaker [4k\]: l8?
evanj [3d\]: not now
evanj [3d\]: but after w l14 etc.
]
;B[kg]C[ShapeMaker [4k\]: don't get it... l8 is taken...
evanj [3d\]: oh
evanj [3d\]: J8 i meant
tuerda [1d\]: yes, the sequence wasl14 j12 j13 h8 h9 j8 
]
;W[gg]C[Syptryn [3d\]: if L14, black j-13 and whole white group dies?
Syptryn [3d\]: since black can capture n9 stones
Syptryn [3d\]: even if m13 gets killed
Syptryn [3d\]: well white gets out anyway
evanj [3d\]: well no
evanj [3d\]: that wasn't the sequence
Syptryn [3d\]: j14 
tuerda [1d\]: well
Syptryn [3d\]: seems good
tuerda [1d\]: something like it
Syptryn [3d\]: whatt
Syptryn [3d\]: white plan vs j14?
tuerda [1d\]: I might have messed up in naming the spots
evanj [3d\]: L14 J12 J13 H8
evanj [3d\]: cuts off the bottom of white's group
evanj [3d\]: J8 sorry not H8
evanj [3d\]: i really cannot label that intersection correctly
Wagaboo [5k\]: w is too far ahead...
]
;B[if]
;W[hf]
;B[je]C[tuerda [1d\]: haha
]
;W[ge]C[tuerda [1d\]: yeah that is pretty much what I said though
tuerda [1d\]: isnt it?
Wagaboo [5k\]: the more b play the less points he has
Wagaboo [5k\]: i'm a littl worry about ww top group
evanj [3d\]: no h8/h9
tuerda [1d\]: K17 and such
evanj [3d\]: if b h8 w will just j8
virtuoso [3k\]: isnt L4 not a eye yet?
tuerda [1d\]: ah yeah
tuerda [1d\]: well, same idea
Wagaboo [5k\]: w has 1 eye and 2 gote eye
Wagaboo [5k\]: so...
]
;B[gd]
;W[hd]
;B[ie]
;W[fh]C[Wagaboo [5k\]: he is alive
Wagaboo [5k\]: m3 h9  miai
]
;B[ei]C[evanj [3d\]: not quite alive yet
Z0mbies [5k\]: close game
evanj [3d\]: needs another move
tuerda [1d\]: not qutie
Wagaboo [5k\]: no zombies
virtuoso [3k\]: h9 cannot alive
Wagaboo [5k\]: w is ahead with much points
]
;W[eh]C[tuerda [1d\]: b gets sente, and that is very serious
]
;B[fe]
;W[gf]C[evanj [3d\]: agreed tuerda
Z0mbies [5k\]: uhh ya Wagaboo
]
;B[cb]
;W[fb]
;B[eb]
;W[gb]C[tuerda [1d\]: macroyose is going to be pretty much game deciding
evanj [3d\]: "maocroyose" :D
]
;B[bc]
;W[bd]C[tuerda [1d\]: big yose
reticent [5k\]: like that term :)
]
;B[ac]C[Syptryn [3d\]: hmmm  ehmm
tuerda [1d\]: I heard it used before
evanj [3d\]: i've seen early yose, never seen macroyose...
Rayk [?\]: i know w zchen,but who is black in kgs?
evanj [3d\]: w is not zchen
]
;W[df]C[evanj [3d\]: so you know less than you thought
Rayk [?\]: what
Syptryn [3d\]: white need to connect
virtuoso [3k\]: S16 is big :)
tuerda [1d\]: yeah, b still sente
Wagaboo [5k\]: yeah it is
evanj [3d\]: zchen is michael (zhaonian) chen
]
;B[ef]C[evanj [3d\]: different person entirely
]
;W[dh]C[Wagaboo [5k\]: huh ? b corner is dead
tuerda [1d\]: now S15!
Wagaboo [5k\]: huh ? d12 ?
evanj [3d\]: no it's not wagaboo
Z0mbies [5k\]: dont use SE wagaboo
Z0mbies [5k\]: try and count it lol
Wagaboo [5k\]: i don't use it
Wagaboo [5k\]: b19  don't kill ?
evanj [3d\]: b19 c19
Wagaboo [5k\]: e19 
evanj [3d\]: oh
evanj [3d\]: yeah
Wagaboo [5k\]: :/
evanj [3d\]: :P
Rayk [?\]: then they havent kgs acc?
tuerda [1d\]: w needed to connect wagaboo, otherwise d13 c13 d12 
ShapeMaker [4k\]: b19 c19 e19 f17?
evanj [3d\]: missed the move that removed the e15/16 eye
evanj [3d\]: f17 e15 e16 f14
evanj [3d\]: guess b is gote here
tuerda [1d\]: no
tuerda [1d\]: b can live in just upper corner
Wagaboo [5k\]: and live small :D
]
;B[ea]C[tuerda [1d\]: not like he is going to live much bigger if he plays otherwise
Wagaboo [5k\]: ah b alive now
]
;W[re]
;B[rd]C[tuerda [1d\]: huh
tuerda [1d\]: ok
]
;W[nb]C[Wagaboo [5k\]: huh ? s15 ?
tuerda [1d\]: I must have misread something
evanj [3d\]: what was your sequence tuerda
]
;B[jc]C[Wagaboo [5k\]: ah yeah very smart
]
;W[jb]
;B[kd]C[tuerda [1d\]: I just didnt see any need for E19
Wagaboo [5k\]: s17  can still be played
]
;W[lc]C[Rayk [?\]: sure
Rayk [?\]: but b can save now
Wagaboo [5k\]: save hat ?
Wagaboo [5k\]: what ?
Rayk [?\]: corner
tuerda [1d\]: oh I see now
Wagaboo [5k\]: see what ?
tuerda [1d\]: what I missed before
tuerda [1d\]: why E19 was needed
TurtleDove [5k\]: the camera is roaming. that's quite interesting
tuerda [1d\]: camera?
TurtleDove [5k\]: eurogotv
Wagaboo [5k\]: w is what 10 points ahead ? more ?
]
;B[pg]C[Wagaboo [5k\]: ican't count...
]
;W[qh]C[tuerda [1d\]: naw
tuerda [1d\]: close game
]
;B[qg]
;W[rg]
;B[rh]C[ShapeMaker [4k\]: my kyu-counting says, that b's ahead
]
;W[ri]C[tuerda [1d\]: d2
TurtleDove [5k\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV-US
]
;B[pb]
;W[ro]
;B[rp]C[ShapeMaker [4k\]: what's up with camera-dude?:)
]
;W[sd]
;B[se]
;W[sf]
;B[rc]
;W[er]C[ShapeMaker [4k\]: why do we need to watch piano? :))
tuerda [1d\]: ok, now w is ahead
]
;B[im]C[Wagaboo [5k\]: it's been a time that's the case guy
tuerda [1d\]: I thought b would get D2
Wagaboo [5k\]: k8  here ^^
tuerda [1d\]: I did nto see the need for Q18
tuerda [1d\]: I do now
ShapeMaker [4k\]: w got both s5 & e2  O_o
Wagaboo [5k\]: or j6
]
;W[in]C[tuerda [1d\]: yeah shapemaker pretty much voicing my concerns
Syptryn [3d\]: black teniki
Syptryn [3d\]: for now
]
;B[ln]C[tuerda [1d\]: later H8 will be nice yose, but too soon
Wagaboo [5k\]: SE says w +20
tuerda [1d\]: se on drugs
ShapeMaker [4k\]: as usual
tuerda [1d\]: se is kgs biggest pothead
ShapeMaker [4k\]: 10-15% of any game discussion is about SE being silly
tuerda [1d\]: lol
tuerda [1d\]: true
]
;W[lp]C[tuerda [1d\]: but less silly and more stoned, in this case at least
ShapeMaker [4k\]: :D
]
;B[hl]
;W[il]
;B[hk]C[tuerda [1d\]: sorry
ShapeMaker [4k\]: ok
tuerda [1d\]: although that was vaguely related
]
;W[fp]
;B[hn]
;W[im]
;B[hr]
;W[oe]
;B[pe]
;W[qo]
;B[sp]
;W[fs]
;B[gs]
;W[gq]C[tuerda [1d\]: g1? huh?
]
;B[es]
;W[gp]
;B[go]C[tuerda [1d\]: oh
locomotive [?\]: I say w +2.5
tuerda [1d\]: something like that
mollycat [6k\]: if w plays d1 does black dare play a ko?
Vinicius [2d\]: yes
]
;W[dr]
;B[ap]C[tuerda [1d\]: almost certainly
]
;W[jr]
;B[ir]
;W[fn]
;B[gn]
;W[cl]
;B[bl]
;W[ad]
;B[bb]
;W[bq]C[Syptryn [3d\]: W - 3?
Syptryn [3d\]: W = 3
Syptryn [3d\]: +3
tuerda [1d\]: well, winning by whole number pretty hard
]
;B[ds]
;W[cs]
;B[fs]C[tuerda [1d\]: but maybe 3.5
]
;W[ar]
;B[aj]
;W[ai]
;B[dg]
;W[cg]C[Z0mbies [5k\]: t5?
]
;B[ic]
;W[ib]
;B[le]C[tuerda [1d\]: well, t5 some more 1 point sente
]
;W[id]
;B[jd]
;W[nf]C[tuerda [1d\]: counting again
]
;B[gc]
;W[hb]C[tuerda [1d\]: I get w by 3.5
]
;B[fa]C[craig [4k\]: doesn't b have at leat that many sente reductions?
TurtleDove [5k\]: must be close, W small lead B has sente
tuerda [1d\]: that is part of what you count
]
;W[oc]
;B[pc]
;W[ls]C[tuerda [1d\]: usually I do worst case yose against both sides
int3r [4k\]: i get b +7.5
tuerda [1d\]: this time, since it was so late, can check sente vs gote on some of the reductions
]
;B[mq]
;W[np]C[tuerda [1d\]: you forgetting komi or something int3r
]
;B[qr]C[tuerda [1d\]: ?
]
;W[sh]
;B[sc]C[Vinicius [2d\]: b +3.5
tuerda [1d\]: everyone also should remember b no points at E16
]
;W[jk]
;B[kj]C[tuerda [1d\]: or well
tuerda [1d\]: can make one in gote
Vinicius [2d\]: and w must take H12
]
;W[mf]C[tuerda [1d\]: yup
tuerda [1d\]: also
]
;B[me]C[tuerda [1d\]: important to remember
]
;W[ne]
;B[oi]
;W[pj]C[tuerda [1d\]: (I forgot
]
;B[so]
;W[sn]
;B[na]C[tuerda [1d\]: should count again but I am too lazy
]
;W[ma]
;B[oa]
;W[ms]
;B[ns]
;W[ga]C[Wagaboo [5k\]: huh ? B is winning ?
tuerda [1d\]: the game is
tuerda [1d\]: certainly
jtscarry [4k\]: there's no point at h16, but only if w throws in... which costs a point, no?
tuerda [1d\]: within 4 points
jtscarry [4k\]: *e16
]
;B[di]C[Vinicius [2d\]: no need to throw in
tuerda [1d\]: no jtscarry, b can make one point in gote if he wants
]
;W[ld]C[jtscarry [4k\]: ok, right
jtscarry [4k\]: that's all i meant
]
;B[lf]C[tuerda [1d\]: but if w plays first then no points at all
]
;W[is]
;B[lr]
;W[ks]C[tuerda [1d\]: well, I guess F17
jtscarry [4k\]: it's area, right? so t15 might be bigger
]
;B[og]
;W[ph]C[ShapeMaker [4k\]: was r2 needed?
Moma [13k\]: b h1 w k1 b m3 w l4
]
;B[se]C[tuerda [1d\]: eventually shapemaker
]
;W[aq]
;B[ao]
;W[sd]
;B[hs]C[ShapeMaker [4k\]: but not right away, right?
]
;W[js]
;B[se]C[tuerda [1d\]: it was played before it was actually required
craig [4k\]: game decided by last ko?
Vinicius [2d\]: M19 1 point i think
evanj [3d\]: i'm not sure that's true, tuerda
]
;W[fc]C[tuerda [1d\]: it could be craig
]
;B[ff]
;W[sd]
;B[rn]
;W[sm]
;B[se]
;W[ed]
;B[ee]
;W[sd]
;B[bh]
;W[bi]
;B[se]
;W[ba]
;B[ca]
;W[sd]
;B[rm]
;W[sl]
;B[se]
;W[ab]
;B[aa]
;W[sd]
;B[cr]
;W[bs]
;B[se]C[Wagaboo [5k\]: b wins :/
Iv [3d\]: w+1.5 by my count
Wagaboo [5k\]: i'm sad
]
;W[ch]C[KGSisKGS: m3
]
;B[sd]C[KGSisKGS: for b ko threat
]
;W[ep]C[KGSisKGS: nvm
]
;B[mg]C[Cr4zYk1d [6k\]: Iv did you count w must fill j12 and h13 ?
tuerda [1d\]: why does se say such a large margin?
tuerda [1d\]: did we all miscount?
USGO2 [-\]: Sorry, I lost track of the dame
Vinicius [2d\]: se cant count aga rules
mollycat [6k\]: SE doesn't work for AGA i don't think
tuerda [1d\]: ah
tuerda [1d\]: right
TurtleDove [5k\]: is there something unusual about AGA rules ?
tuerda [1d\]: maybe that is it
Moma [13k\]: l4 too...
USGO2 [-\]: Players are scoring.
appleseeds [?\]: SE doesn't handle area counting well
evanj [3d\]: i've never gotten a good answer on why SE should choke on AGA rules ince they're basically japanese, but it does
TurtleDove [5k\]: ok
DvaPutin [1k\]: W+1,5
int3r [4k\]: no way
int3r [4k\]: USGO2; who won?
lelouch777 [2d\]: w wins i think
lelouch777 [2d\]: with komi
USGO2 [-\]: B+5.5
craig [4k\]: J12 not a  point, correct?
Wagaboo [5k\]: :'(
int3r [4k\]: thank you
Ruutana [?\]: Nice
mollycat [6k\]: yay i counted right
tuerda [1d\]: neither j12 nor H13 craig
evanj [3d\]: thank you USGO2
])
